I posted a microcast as a reply here: https://
I found Doug's points fascinating and his connection to political philosophy, enlightening as always.
I do take issue with Doug's ideas that #IndieWeb's focus on building out from the self first is at odds with his leftist liberalism.
It seems the argument boiled down to easier on boarding with existing federated apps means scale is easier to achieve. Therefore replacing the ability to connect with just HTML and turning to additional ActivityPub support instead is more rooted in philosophies of equality.
Agree that the apps and software in the fediverse are more mature than the social readers of the IndieWeb but that to me is not a reflection of different values.
I believe an approach where everyone has their own space online that they control is more egalitarian.I believe HTML based websites are the most resilient, sustainable, and equitable approach ensuring everyone can read, write, and participate online.
I have floated around the fediverse, been unwelcome on some servers, unable to follow archaic rules on others, and I have even seen major design decisions of Mastodon decided on a whim in a few toots....Federation requires feudal lords and I would rather know I own my castle.
The fact that access to web literacy falls along traditional class and racist system fault lines is a reason to double down on education.
Plus there are new apps that use IndieWeb building blocks emerging every day. You can use micro.blog or pine.blog as a social reader and blog/website builder on iOS, Android, and the web. You can visit ihazawebsite.com and get a site and a free domain.
So if onboarding and scale is how we define egalitarian philosophies I think we can draw on the IndieWeb principle of plurality and welcome anyone online regardless if they connect through HTML or ActivityPub.