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Greg McVerry

Do wanna dream of a world where demands of capitalism and schools of assimilation and violence do not tear families apart, do not uproot knowledge from community for a dominant narrative. While schools closed lets work for tomorrow

Greg McVerry

Having hard time adjusting to chat expectations not adjusting to established chat . Expectations of quiet, raising hands (for ?s of course but to speak?) multiple fast flowin side streams weaving in and & out of main narrative.

Greg McVerry

Reflections on #credweb Community Group 2020-04-08 Meeting

Yesterday the credible web group got together to do some though excercises as we get closer to building a credibility rating engine. We began, and I

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Yesterday the credible web group got together to do some though excercises as we get closer to building a credibility rating engine.

We began, and I did not have time to participate by rating credibility of public figures. You can see an example on the Google Doc using this framework.

I would rather link the credibility rating to a person canonical website than a social media silo but the tools we are trying to develop are directed more at social networks and journalistic publishers.

Still having your own place online is the first step to credibility and I think we should try to "attach" ratings to a person canonical ID. Not having a website, while a reflection of priviledge, is in itself a loss of credibility.

We then tried this thought excercise and didn't finish in the hour call because this stuff is hard. Common problems we had : should credibility be domain specific? is action required? how big of a scale do we need to ensure enough variance but not threaten internal consitency?

My thoughts

Some quick bytes:

  • you can't separate expertise from domain
    • we discussed relying on   self affirmed expertise. "I know Sandro. I know he is an expert in web standards. Sandro says he is an expert in auto mechanics. Therefore I trust Sandro with my car." This to me is way too fraught with engendered and cultural bias. A white male from the dominant narrative is way quicker to label themselves an expert
  • The action kept throwing me. Must we have an action be involved on a credibility rating?
    • The US  Georgia Governor said, "We just learned how contagious covid-19 is" I now trust him less. Not going tochange my actions. I would love to give him 4 pinnochio noses in my credibility browser extension

Is 1st degree and  2nd degree network effect enough?
I feel like I kind of already include credibility statements for the people I follow:

  • each person is arranged by domain of knowledge. I do include their first person expertise statements.
  • I have four different levels of trust "acquaintance, colleague, friend, muse" I use xfn for this like rel="muse"

This isn't a solution for the cred web work, just another example.. It isn't json-ld. It parses into JSON well so converting it to extra data to stick somewhere in the file wouldn't be hard once there are tools to try (the pinochio broswer extension doesn't exist).

I follow Sandro and he is more than acquaintance. He follows Subbu and says he is an expert in journalism. Therefore when I follow Subbu he gets some credibility points toward journalism. The more 2nd degree points Subbu gets the higher Subbu's credibility rating on a goven domain.

This is a little suspect to confirmation bias. Hard to eliminate the "being human part" and the idea that there is ever an objective credibility rating is nonsensical.

Can we annotate for credibility?
Back to the Kemp example. If I read this: I would want to be able to do something like:

<blockquote> <a class="h-card" href="" tag="dumbass"> Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp </a> said he wasn't aware that asymptomatic people could transmit coronavirus as he announced he was preparing to issue a state-wide shelter-in-place order. <cite> <a href=""> Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp Says He Didn't Know Asymptomatic People Could Transmit Coronavirus </a> </cite> </blockquote>

If enough 2nd degree people gave Brian Kemp a dumbass rating in my network then my browser would then add four pinochios, four pants on fire, whatever, after any Brtian Kemp mention that also linked to any page

Sorry for not using JSON-LD. I do not know it well enough yet. Easier for me to think in way where I can make my text and metatdata human readable at the same time. I will try and figure out how to mark up my example and add the data back in again  as JSON-LD.

Greg McVerry

Maybe an acronym like GO UP Grants of Opportunity for Undergraduate Program, but spent time trying to find moment in polls where Warren lost momentum. Seems to be around when the "How You Gonna Pay For It" narrative spread

Greg McVerry

I like Pace's future so much better than Neal Stephenson' least in her version the web is still good and there aren't any stupid creatures based on Greek I am all set with the same narrative.

Greg McVerry

@ame_lemieux I am beginning to wonder if foundational skills ending phonemic awareness in 2nd grade shows a level of racism and dominant narrative. Many people go on honing their skills manipulating sounds long after 2nd grade

Greg McVerry

If you mean entire body of literacy research in all it's beauty, yes then science, if you mean th teacher blaming garbage most folks peddle as truth...not science...garbage....political narrative based on very narrow read and forgotten history.

Greg McVerry

@karenvaites The "science of reading" movement is part of a national conservative trend to blame teachers for the lack of gains test feeds into the narrative of deproffesionalizing all of us...and no one stops to ask "Whose science"

Greg McVerry

@LaurenTTutor718 not saying disadvantaged at all by phonemic awareness, trying to make point our national curriculum and focus on defining literacy and how it is taught reflects dominant narrative rather than oral traditions of many students

Greg McVerry

@LaurenTTutor718 My fault I may not have been clear. I am NOT saying teaching phonemic awareness is culturally bias, I am saying the fact that instruction should end in 2nd grade is a reflection of our bias to the dominant narrative.


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